tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4250207151266057397.post6819806578784534419..comments2011-07-21T08:49:32.961-07:00Comments on Welfare Cowboy: WELFARE COWBOYUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4250207151266057397.post-76165307523410005522011-07-21T08:49:32.961-07:002011-07-21T08:49:32.961-07:00Actually, it's an original typo. You are corre...Actually, it's an original typo. You are correct. Heavens, that “1 child” would be bigger than Alaska! Thank you for catching that. Should read, "1 horse could feed 4 children for near a year." I’ll make that correction now.<br />I remembered around 2:30 a.m. how that guesstimate was arrived at: An average horse will dress out at about 400 lbs. and if 4 kiddos had a max of 1/4 lb. a day...or something like that… Anyway, you get the main jest. A horse has essentials that can extend human lives beyond its death. And that…is a good, benevolent thing. <br />BTW “Anonymous,” compared to canned robotic rant from tigergressbythetail, you thoughtfully present your arguments. I appreciate that. That’s why I take time from what I need to be doing, to give you the courtesy of a response. <br />Thank you.<br />Roni Bell Sylvester<br />Volunteer editor www.LandAndWaterUSA.com www.ToLoveAmerica.Blogspot.com www.AmericanConsumerTax.comEditorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04575920392957602704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4250207151266057397.post-11638127622273863142011-07-21T08:40:20.839-07:002011-07-21T08:40:20.839-07:00JR here again ... just wanted to let the Editor kn...JR here again ... just wanted to let the Editor know that I found his post referenced, when <br />he asked where I read that he had made the statement that one horse could sustain "4 people a year" ...<br /><br />The following was posted by YOU, Mr. Editor, on June 17, 2011 6:45 AM. ... <br /><br /><br />"How many feral horses did you say you support again? <br />Will you pitch in on the expense of gathering and executing your choice - <br />"Euthanized and buried/cremated" - the some 50,000 excess horses?<br />Will you pitch in on the expense of maintaining herds at levels determined <br />to honor the approved management levels?<br />Did you know that before horses are slaughtered, they too are "euthanized?" <br />Because you appear to oppose the many benevolent, beneficial ways a horse could be utilized after euthanization, <br />do you also oppose human organ donors?<br />Did you know approximately 18 people will die each day waiting for an organ?<br />Did you know 1 organ donor can save up to 8 lives?<br /><b>Did you know that one horse could sustain 4 humans for about one year?</b>" <br /><br />June 17, 2011 6:45 AM <br /><br /><b>Please note that the statement ... Did you know ... indicates a fact, not an approximate.</b>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4250207151266057397.post-58486588941822926952011-07-21T06:21:17.936-07:002011-07-21T06:21:17.936-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Joanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08865845372665402886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4250207151266057397.post-7254467930828696302011-07-21T03:25:33.156-07:002011-07-21T03:25:33.156-07:00Mr. Editor ... apparently, you changed your statem...Mr. Editor ... apparently, you changed your statement from "4 people a year" to "1 child for a year". Try to make me look stupid if you want ... but, you and I know the truth ... and that's all that matters.<br /><br />And as far as the excess 50,000 feral horses ... I can rattle off a while list of sanctuaries that would be more than happy to take them. In fact, I donate ... so, that would mean that I <b>am</b> helping support those horses, and not just with the allocation of my tax monies.<br /><br />JR-FloridaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4250207151266057397.post-5382468417393403222011-07-20T21:25:34.954-07:002011-07-20T21:25:34.954-07:00Hey, I have an idea! How 'bout you people quit...Hey, I have an idea! How 'bout you people quit breeding so many horses! Then there won't BE an excess horse problem. <br /><br />Okay, let me get this straight. You want to feed the poor horse meat? Horse meat goes for obscene prices overseas. And you think the POOR are going to get that meat? Either you are all fools or you're working for the horse slaughter industry. Once we open that door again, that meat will go to the highest bidder. <br /><br />And how ARROGANT can one be to suggest feeding the poor such a culturally ABHORRENT meat? A much better idea would be to stop subsidizing corn to feed to cattle and subsidize vegetables and fruits, which would be a much better choice for everyone rather than cheap corn fed Big Macs.Tigressbythetailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04272287260812518646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4250207151266057397.post-71690935002385092242011-07-20T20:26:56.486-07:002011-07-20T20:26:56.486-07:00Earlier I neglected to ask where you found the 4 c...Earlier I neglected to ask where you found the 4 children a year...I found something along the line of 1 child for near a year.<br />And you neglected to tell us how many feral horses you support. If none provide the address of your backyard, and we’ll make delivery of the approximate 50,000 excess feral horses on federal lands, then visit with the tribal sovereigns to see how many of their approximate 60,000 excess horses they’d like for you to accommodate. <br />Then, my friend, you'd have opportunity to do with them as you please. Problem solved. <br />This old volunteer editor's heading to bed now.Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04575920392957602704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4250207151266057397.post-68872149931931890702011-07-20T19:56:20.973-07:002011-07-20T19:56:20.973-07:00Mr. Editor ... just because you say that animals f...Mr. Editor ... just because you say that animals for human consumption are "sans" bute when slaughtered,<br />does not make it so. Horses are being slaughtered NOW that have been treated with bute. Just culling the feral (wild) herds of the U.S. ... is not going to be profitable enough to operate and sustain slaughterhouses ... and if re-opened ... can you guarantee that other horses, that MAY have been treated with bute won't find their way into the "food supply"? No.<br /><br />Race horses, backyard pets, rodeo horses, PMU horses and foals, etc. ... would all be going there as well. You know it, and I know it. <br /><br />To suggest that the American taxpayer pay to subsidize this "industry" is highly doubtful. Your cause will never get enough support ... because most people, once they realize the real issue, which is that horse slaughter is a "for profit enterprise" ... will protest LOUDLY. <br /><br />One horse will feed 4 people a year was presented as a statement ... not as an approximate. Which leads<br />to credibility issues. I realized that when I saw your comment that starving children were paying for the keep of the "feral" horses. An analogy? ... I find it pretty blatant to use the worlds starving children in such a nonsensical fashion. It would appear to be a ploy to tug at heartstrings (save the children) ... and win approval for your agenda.<br /><br />Why aren't the Africans slaughtering their zebras to feed their starving people? Or their many antelope breeds? Their herds are alot bigger than any feral horse herd here in the U.S.<br /><br />How many horses do I pay for? Two that are under my custodianship ... and any of my taxpayer monies that<br />the government wants to allot for the care of these "excess,unwanted" horses. I'd rather take care of American horses, than some drug-addicted welfare recipient. Those are the "monkeys" that I am currently supporting. And guess what ... I don't have a choice about supporting them, do I?<br /><br />When, and if, my 28yr old mare needs to be euthanized ... I will call my vet ... rent a backhoe ... and bury her. <br /><br />That my friend, is responsible horse ownership. <br /><br />And I have certainly made myself known, to my state Senators ... I am a strong proponent of the American Horse Slaughter Prevention Act of 2011. <br /><br />JR - FloridaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4250207151266057397.post-60115699838077364882011-07-20T18:15:44.472-07:002011-07-20T18:15:44.472-07:00Where to all is how we speak in these here parts. ...Where to all is how we speak in these here parts. I'm neither a wordsmith nor a poser. I am instead a lowly poet, volunteer, entertainer and comedian who’s grateful for a public that gifts me a wide open range to express myself. <br />Who's going to pay? <br />Most likely the same hard working honest folks who are already paying the board/room/medical for feral and domestic horses.<br />For sure, those subsidized by federal (taxpayer paychecks) government won’t pay. After all, they use their million dollar budgets to pay themselves hefty salaries, market their scam, and influence policies that mandate taxpayers shoulder the cost of their “wants.” And if that doesn’t work they sue. To learn more about the gross scams of eco and animal rights criminals – study EAJA. <br />Regards your claim about Phenylbutazone, market animals (animals for human consumption) are euthanized sans such. <br />The four people a year was offered as an approximate…not an exact. How many people do you think one horse could feed? <br />How many equine board/room and medical do you pay for? <br />Don’t you agree those who want the slaughter ban to stay, should identify themselves and thereon be held wholly responsible for euthanization and subsequent disposal of a domestic horse the minute of need, and feral horses from birth to death? <br />I love looking at monkeys. But I sure as hell wouldn’t be so arrogantly rude as to get the government to give me money to mandate you take care thousands in your backyard.Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04575920392957602704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4250207151266057397.post-39283881366847844402011-07-20T15:38:11.419-07:002011-07-20T15:38:11.419-07:00First I would like to say to the "editor"...First I would like to say to the "editor" ... you need to go back to school. Where-to-all? Are you sure you didn't mean where-with-all? <br /><br />Also, I would like to know where you came up with the stated "fact" that one horse can feed 4 people for a year? And who do you propose is going to pay for the "harvest", slaughter, and distribution of meat from those horses? Who is going to pay for the slaughterhouse operations? Who is going to make sure that any horse going to slaughter for human consumption, hasn't ever been treated with Phenylbutazone ... which is a KNOWN human carcinogen?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4250207151266057397.post-58476216613557402762011-07-18T14:02:18.078-07:002011-07-18T14:02:18.078-07:00What calm great thinking and solution offers.
Con...What calm great thinking and solution offers. <br />Contraire to most public opinion, cattle and horses have been processed has been humane since the fifties. <br />With that part done, I believe the focus should now move on to insuring the excess feral horses are gathered, processed and shipped to families in need...regardless where they reside.Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04575920392957602704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4250207151266057397.post-13870422178541619512011-07-13T12:09:27.744-07:002011-07-13T12:09:27.744-07:00If instead these were "feral" buffalo, b...If instead these were "feral" buffalo, bison, cows, or hogs, would the story be different?! Would everyone support the excess cattle be slaughtered and given to those starving, wether it be in our country or a 3rd world country?!<br />I think because the feral horse population is so high that it is a good idea to feed the starving, the real actual starving people and children. But at the same time horses are a huge part in my life and they deserve, as any other animal, to be slaughter in a very humane way, with all the same regulations and care other slaughter animals receive.<br />It's funny how people sure can come together to help starving horses, mistreated animals, etc. But when the help turns to our own kind even if there is a solution we turn our backs. If we have the means to meet those needs, then we should help in every way we can. <br />But I do stress that there has to be a humane way of slaughter/disposal and everything has to meet the regulations (or maybe some regulations need to be changed to better the animal during the slaughter).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4250207151266057397.post-21853243460034048402011-07-08T16:02:57.853-07:002011-07-08T16:02:57.853-07:00Excellent write Denise. Well thought out, realisti...Excellent write Denise. Well thought out, realistic and very balanced.<br />Thank you!Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04575920392957602704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4250207151266057397.post-7637465431206994022011-07-08T11:15:28.988-07:002011-07-08T11:15:28.988-07:00I would never knowingly eat horse. Just because. H...I would never knowingly eat horse. Just because. Having said that I do know that it is a delicacy in many countries--which is where 90% of what Canada and used to be US, processed horse meat went/goes. We are overrun with wild horses and also horses that have been indiscriminately bred and who can afford to feed them? They won't all survive out in the fields, meadows,grazing lands, etc. and who will feed them? Who has the money to do this on a regular basis? And it isn't a donation this month that will last for the next year, it is an ongoing requirement, every day, every month all year. <br /><br />What I am understanding on this, is that Welfare Cowboy is proposing that instead of trying to feed and care for these eccess horses, is to use that money to humanely process these excess horses to be used primarly in places like Africa, etc that have thousands of starving kids and people. <br /><br />And I say, why not? Because we have put horses on the human/pet level? I don't want to eat horse, but if I was starving and that was my option, I'm sure that my outlook would change. I think most of ours would under those circumstances. Most of us can't even begin to think of what that would be like--I really can't. I have lots of food and so do my horses. <br /><br />Like anything new, I believe there will be things to work out with this idea--always is with anything, try building anything and you run into strings that you hadn't previously thought of, but I do believe it is a good idea and a very workable one. I have often thought that the road kills (especially the moose, deer, etc) should be useable for those in need of food, as well. <br /><br />Good Idea!!Denisenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4250207151266057397.post-62930135761258184212011-07-07T14:29:57.688-07:002011-07-07T14:29:57.688-07:00You offer excellent points.
Thank you!You offer excellent points. <br />Thank you!Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04575920392957602704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4250207151266057397.post-66109759202853128712011-07-07T14:29:47.577-07:002011-07-07T14:29:47.577-07:00You offer excellent points.
Thank you!You offer excellent points. <br />Thank you!Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04575920392957602704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4250207151266057397.post-57523273053094393892011-07-07T09:38:08.758-07:002011-07-07T09:38:08.758-07:00I think this is a great idea, I have thought for y...I think this is a great idea, I have thought for years we should be opening up meat markets for the homeless and people in need, by suppling the stores with wild game as well. People continue to hunt deer, moose, elk etc. for there own personal gain why not feed the homeless at the same time. Doing so, it would cut down on the road kill and all that wasted meat, as well cut down on human death on the highways. With this in mind we could also employee the needy to work and give them some personal self worth. Not much difference then feeding them horse meat. Just my own personal thoughts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4250207151266057397.post-37993655913655077112011-06-17T19:06:41.386-07:002011-06-17T19:06:41.386-07:00Bringin' it.Bringin' it.Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17176705167637508098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4250207151266057397.post-19335478703122741472011-06-17T19:05:04.304-07:002011-06-17T19:05:04.304-07:00Government discriminates against a “few” by mandat...Government discriminates against a “few” by mandating they provide board and room for excess feral horses (That compound the situation by stealing forage from the “few.”).<br />This problem could be resolved overnight. <br />How? Let’s take the feral horse first: DOI Secretary Salazar could use his authority to execute a reverse mandating. In other words, who-so-ever wants feral horses and objects to Welfare Cowboy and United Horseman’s process would be identified as its owner; and thereon mandated to: 1) “Make whole” entity that accrued costs and losses from date horse exceeded “maximum number” 2) Assume role of “caretaker” in every way including: a) Finding, then moving feral horse to a new home where they’d pay feral horse’s expenses until its natural death. c) New caretaker will not receive financial aid from government. <br />For domestic horse owners: Who-so-ever as much as makes a peep as to how domestic horse owner chooses to dispose of their horse should be mandated to pay for the disposal method of their choice. <br />The “who-so-evers “will continue to glut our courts and legislative halls, until they are held accountable for the fiduciary and hands on care of a horse.Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04575920392957602704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4250207151266057397.post-23561239742393487742011-06-17T18:01:17.885-07:002011-06-17T18:01:17.885-07:00Sue Wallis has the right plan.....deal with it!Sue Wallis has the right plan.....deal with it!broncriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17864465387414035430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4250207151266057397.post-88899848502323524922011-06-17T17:59:52.492-07:002011-06-17T17:59:52.492-07:00Ilove these gutless Anonymous post.....I am C.J. O...Ilove these gutless Anonymous post.....I am C.J. Oakwood and I am for processing these feral screws on Federal Lands for food......The bunny huggers need to get a life and quit supporting terrorist like Pacelle and HSUS. If you have a problem with myopinion...bring it on you gutless bastards!broncriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17864465387414035430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4250207151266057397.post-54851852306236227532011-06-17T16:37:40.414-07:002011-06-17T16:37:40.414-07:00Rep. Wallis, I wonder where is this broad-based s...Rep. Wallis, I wonder where is this broad-based support of which you write, since it surely is not to be found on your Facebook page.Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17176705167637508098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4250207151266057397.post-22255459618253994392011-06-17T16:15:58.919-07:002011-06-17T16:15:58.919-07:00Heavens to Betsy Sue! So kind of you! Thank you. G...Heavens to Betsy Sue! So kind of you! Thank you. Greatly appreciated.<br />Whenever Chuck starts talking about helping the children in photo on this blog, that tough old Cowboy tears up.<br />We are so proud of each and every individual who's joining together in these very worthy missions.Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04575920392957602704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4250207151266057397.post-79702522606759807752011-06-17T15:56:32.173-07:002011-06-17T15:56:32.173-07:00Thank you Sylvesters and Dr. Maulsby for your visi...Thank you Sylvesters and Dr. Maulsby for your visionary work to find a way to solve problems that are a win-win-win for horses, for people, and for the economy. This concept is brilliant! United Horsemen and our thousands of supporters and broad based coalition of the horse owners, horse industry, animal agriculture, veterinarians, animal scientists, animal welfare experts, wildlife specialists, livestock marketers, land and resource managers and more throw our full support behind your efforts, and will do everything we can to promote your efforts.Sue Wallishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04690745700779569305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4250207151266057397.post-54070009656644696382011-06-17T15:12:32.297-07:002011-06-17T15:12:32.297-07:00^^Read my earlier comments (made on June 15th) for...^^Read my earlier comments (made on June 15th) for the reasons why you don't have slaughter in the US. There is no point repeating them here. <br /><br />Do you really have to ask why I have an interest in slaughter? Why do people protest war, if they've never been in a war? Why do some people protest torture, if they've never personally been tortured? When you can answer those questions, you'll have your answer to this one as well.<br /><br />There is no corrolation between stem cell research and horse slaughter. Your attempt to link slaughter to organ donation is also really, really weak. In fact, I'd say it's non-existent. If people or their governments wanted to make organ donation an even more positive outcome, they'd legislate it into law, but there are many clearly reasons why they can't do this. How many people die without a compatible organ? Why not compel people to donate them, if you're so concerned about "helping" others to the exclusion of all common sense.Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17176705167637508098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4250207151266057397.post-21545432651900626852011-06-17T13:02:34.211-07:002011-06-17T13:02:34.211-07:00Thank you for correcting me on that technicality. ...Thank you for correcting me on that technicality. <br />I was thinking in terms of euphemisms – which encompass many ways to lay down, destroy and put to death painlessly (includes bolt shots etc.), an animal. The U.S. Wild Horse and Burro Act of 1971, instructs the Secretary of Interior: A) The Secretary shall order old, sick, or lame animals to be destroyed in the most humane manner possible; <br />Slaughter is the process done after the animal has been “put to death.” <br />I agree the word slaughter shouldn’t be used, for it conjures inaccurate…albeit graphic visuals of violent carnage. Therefore, I would recommend the powers that be use a more accurate phrase, such as “process for beneficial consumptive use.” <br />You have horse processing plants in Canada. Unfortunately individuals disconnected from reality, agriculture and animal husbandry managed to convince bureaucrats (likewise disconnected from reality) to ban horse processing in the states. Because both the bureaucrats and said individuals are so disconnected, they additionally failed to have plans B, C, and D in place in respect to identifying those who’d commit to taking on the fiduciary responsibility and individuals with room and willingness enough to provide holding areas for these horses. <br />Their lack of foresight and honest planning now leaves horses that now have to endure long painful horrific deaths of starvation, disease and more, or, endure being crammed into trucks and hauled long distances to either Canada or Mexico for processing. <br />Now knowing you reside in Canada, how many U.S. feral horses do you support?<br />If none, why the interest?<br />There’s a direct parallel between human organ donors and the equine suggestion in that both go towards beneficial use. <br />Do you support or oppose embryonic stem cell research?Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04575920392957602704noreply@blogger.com